jeff, let me start by asking you, to what extent can we link climate change to hurricane sandy? what would be the fairest way to describe it? >> well, one thing we can start with is the ocean level has risen in the eastern seaboard by almost a foot during the past century. and that means that storm surges are all the more extreme. the flooding, which was so destructive, is made worse by that. and the ocean surface, sea level keeps rising. and it's rising because of the glaciers melting, the ice sheets thinning, and the risks of massive increase of ocean levels are very, very real. so that's one very clear part of human-induced long-term climate change during the past century. whether the particular storm, this extraordinary storm, a tropical storm hooking up to this arctic storm and creating such damage on a long swath, that the hurricanologiss are debating and they'll be debating for a while. >> do you think we're thinking enough about how to adapt and make ourselves resilient to these kind of new forces? >> well, clearly not. we're not thinking of either the mitt gailths, how